2004-12-01 14:19:59 UTC
it (whatever being "in" the project means). Very few people have
@freenetproject.org email addresses, you got one because you asked for
it and because you said it would help you raise donations for the
That was one reason, yes. But while I agree that it's been months since I
actively sought new sponsors, it is also true I use that emailaddress on
several pages on the website and on the wiki for people that want to ask
questions about freenet and freenethelp. If you discontinue that address, it
means that it will not work anymore. And while true it isn't used that much
(a lot of spam, though), it IS something that people can use. Or rather,
"So far as I can see you no longer even use it, so I don't see why you
are whining about losing something that many people who have made a
much more significant contribution to the project than you have never
even asked for."
You have the reasons. And ofcourse people that don't ask for the
emailaccount will not whine about losing it, duh. You can't complain about
losing something you didn't have in the first place.
"I have no problem whatsoever with criticism, but I do have a problem
when it is expressed in a sarcastic and personal manner. You have a
right to say whatever you want, but I have a right not to endorse your
opinions by giving you a project email address that you don't need and
It's not like all your posts are all that diplomatic neither, but I'll leave
it at that. I agree with the middlepart, but note that endorsing my opinions
is (or at least should) not done by giving or revoking an emailaccount. You
have the right to endorse whatever you want, but your personal feelings of
endorsement should not interfere in matters that are contrary to profesional
Now, you have given some arguments this time why you think it should be
terminated, yet in the email you linked it directly to the post I made.
therefor, it is reasonable to suspect the desision is based more on personal
feelings then on rationale. Because logic does not give a valid reason why
it should be terminated: if I encounter a possible sponsor tomorrow, should
I ask the whole thing back again? And since you are unilateraly throwing the
account away, is it fair that the burden of having to change all the links I
made to the address on the site and the wiki rest on my shoulders? Based on
your opinion that I don't make much use of it...or because you got fed up
with my critisism?
I concur that I'm not seeking actively anymore, but if I encounter another
sponsor, I will still need the address, and if people send to that account,
they still have the right to expect that I answer, and changing all the
emailaddies is an unfair burden, certainly because there is no pressing
reason for it - apart possible personal feelings.
"There is nothing mature or immature about my decision to ignore you, it
is my personal preference based on the observation that most of what
you say isn't very useful, and that it is generally expressed with
extremely poor spelling and without bothering to follow even the most
rudimentary email conventions."
I agree. The immaturity does not lay in the fact that you ignore me: you are
fully entitled to that. The immaturity lies in the fact that you put a
burden upon me, possibly inconviencing others as well, because you feel
offended by my posts.
As for the spelling: I'm not even going to go that route again. I'm not
native english and I don't have an english spellchecker and I doubt I would
use it anyway. My english is good enough to be understandable, and it's way
better then what most english-speaking dudes can type in german or french.
I've once posted on an italian-freenetforum; I don't remember them
complaining about my italian, though god knows it was no doubt far worse
then my english. But spelling dosn't have anything to do with the actual
topic in any case. And about emailconventions: whatever conventions I have,
it's not asking, by email, for a response, while at the same time saying I
throw them directly in the bin.
"When did I claim to be a libertarian, how is my not endorsing your
emails in any way anti-libertarian, and what does "spicious" mean?"
If you mean to say, where did you say 'I'm a libertarian', you're right, you
didn't. Reading your blog, I would say it's libertarian in anture, though.
But feel free to say it's not.
"No, being a part of this or any project is about constructive
criticism, but not sarcastic and personal criticism directed at those
who have contributed far more to the project than you have."
My critism is related to the performance and way of development of Freenet.
In both instances, I have given constructive suggestions too, but you deny
that. And even this time, I said changing to UDP might help with the
firewall issue, so it is not like I'm only given critisism without ever
suggesting alternatives. But, after all this time, it becomes a bit
fatiguing since it never amounts to anything and the level of frustration
because of no real progress (on the end-users perspective) augments. So yes,
it is often sarcastic; ignoring it is fine, pulling the plug out of the
account for it ain't.
"Yes you have, and I am grateful to those sponsors, and to you for
finding them, but note that the total amount raised was less than
numerous individual donations the project has received. This was also
quite some time ago."
I agree, and maybe it's time for me to do an effort for a second round of
searching. The relevance of the amount, however, is unclear to me. It wasn't
as much as you've gained from DEFCON, and I'm sure there will be some that
have donated more...as I am sure there are even more that have donated less
then the total aumount I managed to get. In any case, the finances back then
weren't as rosy as now, if you remember. But no doubt it seems unimportant
and insignificant if no financial troubles are looming anymore.
"The portion of your comment which the poster found to be helpful was
not the portion that I objected to. Please explain what this means and
its relevance on a mailing list intended to help new users learn how to
use Freenet. "
It was in one and the same post. Debating partions of a post is silly;
almost in every post people will found portions that are helpfull, and parts
that are not. the question is, did the post help; if the answer is yes, then
the post is not out of place in the support section.
"Also, please explain what you are implying by suggesting
that he ask Matthew and I."
I am implying in an ironic way, that if he has trouble believing that it
works better, he should ask you or toad, since you are both being
over-optimistic in regard to how much it has 'improved' almost all of the
"Yes, you are never childish..."
Maybe I am, but not to the level you are demonstrating right now. I would
not delete your emailaccount because I had dificulties with what you say.
"...oops, finger must have slipped on the paste button there, careless
? Was that meant as an example? A child hardly uses the concept of irony and
"You were not kicked out of the project, you lost an email account that
you weren't using and that you were given for a purpose that is
no-longer relevant. You were given it because you felt you needed the
endorsement of the project to help you raise funds for the project. It
is an endorsement that many people who have contributed far more than
you do not have and have not asked for, and thus I feel you no-longer
need or deserve it."
I was and am still using it; it's on the wiki and the site; people can reach
me through it, if they need too. Deleting it will mean they can't, unless I
redo all the links, which is not a fair burden to be put on me. also, while
I'm not actively searching at the moment, it might be that I decide to go at
it again (if the 0.6 comes out, for instance), thus deleting the account is,
here too, not really beneficial. you must decide if it's an endorsement of
you personally, or of the project. In the first case, it is not surprising
you think I don't deserve it, in the latter there is no rationale to delete
And, as I said, I fail to see the argument that people that did more don't
have one...they didn't *ask* for it, duh.
"Actually I couldn't resist, although I probably should have, feeding
the trolls and all that."
Ah, you've been on slashdot?
"Also, perhaps if you learned to use a spell-checker, and actually tried
quoting emails properly for a change, fewer people might want to ignore
See above about spellchecking. As for quotes, I usually do a copy&paste. I
have nothing against ignoring, but I do have something against actively
terminating accounts because one feels offended.
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