Lots of questions about Frost and Thaw

[Walter Barnes]

Hi, I'm new to Freenet and I have several questions about Frost and Thaw...

First, I've read the info about these programs at the link below:

http://freenetproject.org/documentation.html

When I downloaded Thaw from
http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/Thaw, I notice the file dates
are in 2008. Is there a newer version?

The page about Frost states it should be included in the install but
it's not (I have version 0.7). Where do I get it?

Do I even need Frost? On the Thaw wiki page
(http://wiki.freenetproject.org/Thaw) it states Thaw supports Frost
messaging via a plugin. Is this a current feature or something that will
be added in the future? If it's current, how do I use it?

Thanks!
Walter
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[Dennis Nezic]

Post by Walter Barnes
[...]
Do I even need Frost?

If you want a forum on freenet, then sure, it is one of at least three
different forum systems. It's a standalone Java program (that operates
over your freenet node in the background.) FMS is a similar, newer and
better standalone program, written in C. Freetalk is an even newer
system, written as a Java plugin to your node, and installed/accessed
via your node's control panels (normally) -- although I hear it (still)
has performance issues.

Naturally, none of these systems talk to each other. We can hack up
sophisticated mathematical elliptical curve ciphers and complex routing
algorithms for ad-hoc network topologies, but creating compatible
protocols is simply beyond us.
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[Walter Barnes]

Post by Dennis Nezic

Post by Walter Barnes
[...]
Do I even need Frost?

If you want a forum on freenet, then sure, it is one of at least three
different forum systems. It's a standalone Java program (that operates
over your freenet node in the background.) FMS is a similar, newer and
better standalone program, written in C. Freetalk is an even newer
system, written as a Java plugin to your node, and installed/accessed
via your node's control panels (normally) -- although I hear it (still)
has performance issues.

Thanks Denis but I'm just looking for ways to access Frost message
boards. I have found a freesite for frost that appears to have a version
of Frost that's newer than the one on freenetproject.org. I'll try that
one out but I'm still curious if there is a plugin for Thaw that will
access Frost message boards.

Even if there isn't such a plugin, I think I still need Thaw for file
sharing and I have no idea where to get a recent version. As I mentioned
in my previous message, the one available for download at
freenetproject.org is at least 3 years out of date. Is there a freesite
for Thaw with a more recent version or where else do I go?

Thanks,
Walter
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[Dennis Nezic]

Post by Walter Barnes

Post by Dennis Nezic

Post by Walter Barnes
[...]
Do I even need Frost?

If you want a forum on freenet, then sure, it is one of at least
three different forum systems. It's a standalone Java program (that
operates over your freenet node in the background.) FMS is a
similar, newer and better standalone program, written in C.
Freetalk is an even newer system, written as a Java plugin to your
node, and installed/accessed via your node's control panels
(normally) -- although I hear it (still) has performance issues.

Thanks Denis but I'm just looking for ways to access Frost message
boards.

That's fair enough. Although, you should be aware that the other two
newer systems were built specifically because Frost can be trivially
DOS-ed and rendered unusable. (They use "webs of trust", instead of
allowing anybody/anything to post.)
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[Volodya]

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Post by Dennis Nezic

Post by Walter Barnes
[...]
Do I even need Frost?

If you want a forum on freenet, then sure, it is one of at least three
different forum systems. It's a standalone Java program (that operates
over your freenet node in the background.) FMS is a similar, newer and
better standalone program, written in C. Freetalk is an even newer
system, written as a Java plugin to your node, and installed/accessed
via your node's control panels (normally) -- although I hear it (still)
has performance issues.

Thanks Denis but I'm just looking for ways to access Frost message boards. I
have found a freesite for frost that appears to have a version of Frost that's
newer than the one on freenetproject.org. I'll try that one out but I'm still
curious if there is a plugin for Thaw that will access Frost message boards.
Even if there isn't such a plugin, I think I still need Thaw for file sharing
and I have no idea where to get a recent version. As I mentioned in my previous
message, the one available for download at freenetproject.org is at least 3
years out of date. Is there a freesite for Thaw with a more recent version or
where else do I go?
Thanks,
Walter

Thaw's Frost Messanging System plugin was never finished, and i think today it's
abandonware. Three-year-old version sounds about right.

- Volodya


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[Jep]

Post by Volodya
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Post by Dennis Nezic

Post by Walter Barnes
[...]
Do I even need Frost?

If you want a forum on freenet, then sure, it is one of at least three
different forum systems. It's a standalone Java program (that operates
over your freenet node in the background.) FMS is a similar, newer and
better standalone program, written in C. Freetalk is an even newer
system, written as a Java plugin to your node, and installed/accessed
via your node's control panels (normally) -- although I hear it (still)
has performance issues.

Thanks Denis but I'm just looking for ways to access Frost message boards. I
have found a freesite for frost that appears to have a version of Frost that's
newer than the one on freenetproject.org. I'll try that one out but I'm still
curious if there is a plugin for Thaw that will access Frost message boards.
Even if there isn't such a plugin, I think I still need Thaw for file sharing
and I have no idea where to get a recent version. As I mentioned in my previous
message, the one available for download at freenetproject.org is at least 3
years out of date. Is there a freesite for Thaw with a more recent version or
where else do I go?
Thanks,
Walter

Thaw's Frost Messanging System plugin was never finished, and i think today it's
abandonware. Three-year-old version sounds about right.
- Volodya

Yup, best ditch Thaw.

If only for being abandonware, it should be deprecated clearly at
freenetproject.org and the 'official' freesites in my opinion.

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[artur]

Hi,

you can download the latest version of Frost here:

http://jtcfrost.sourceforge.net/

Regards

artur

Post by Walter Barnes

Post by Dennis Nezic

Post by Walter Barnes
[...]
Do I even need Frost?

If you want a forum on freenet, then sure, it is one of at least three
different forum systems. It's a standalone Java program (that operates
over your freenet node in the background.) FMS is a similar, newer and
better standalone program, written in C. Freetalk is an even newer
system, written as a Java plugin to your node, and installed/accessed
via your node's control panels (normally) -- although I hear it (still)
has performance issues.

Thanks Denis but I'm just looking for ways to access Frost message
boards. I have found a freesite for frost that appears to have a version
of Frost that's newer than the one on freenetproject.org. I'll try that
one out but I'm still curious if there is a plugin for Thaw that will
access Frost message boards.
Even if there isn't such a plugin, I think I still need Thaw for file
sharing and I have no idea where to get a recent version. As I mentioned
in my previous message, the one available for download at
freenetproject.org is at least 3 years out of date. Is there a freesite
for Thaw with a more recent version or where else do I go?
Thanks,
Walter
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[artur]

Hi,

you can download the latest version of Frost here:

http://jtcfrost.sourceforge.net/

Regards

artur

Post by Walter Barnes

Post by Dennis Nezic

Post by Walter Barnes
[...]
Do I even need Frost?

If you want a forum on freenet, then sure, it is one of at least three
different forum systems. It's a standalone Java program (that operates
over your freenet node in the background.) FMS is a similar, newer and
better standalone program, written in C. Freetalk is an even newer
system, written as a Java plugin to your node, and installed/accessed
via your node's control panels (normally) -- although I hear it (still)
has performance issues.

Thanks Denis but I'm just looking for ways to access Frost message
boards. I have found a freesite for frost that appears to have a version
of Frost that's newer than the one on freenetproject.org. I'll try that
one out but I'm still curious if there is a plugin for Thaw that will
access Frost message boards.
Even if there isn't such a plugin, I think I still need Thaw for file
sharing and I have no idea where to get a recent version. As I mentioned
in my previous message, the one available for download at
freenetproject.org is at least 3 years out of date. Is there a freesite
for Thaw with a more recent version or where else do I go?
Thanks,
Walter
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